New Species (Micros), Need help with ID

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Dima
New Species (Micros), Need help with ID
Hello, please help me with these: 1. This is a creek chub (Semotilus atromaculatus), right? http://fish.aseev.com/photo/20200625182420 2. Don't know what this is. Please ID: http://fish.aseev.com/photo/20200625183655 Both species were caught in a creek in Northern Illinois. Have more photos of the second species, but can not attach them to the post. What happened to the forum? WHat's with formating?
Corey
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Creek chub and sand/mimic shiner. The forum is the same as its always been; use the photo attachment tool.

Graceclaw
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At the beginning of the competition, the photo attachment tool was missing, but it has been back for a while - not sure why it would be an issue just for you

Dima
Thank you Corey,

Thank you Corey,

here are couple more photos of the shiner. Because of the gill plate and fin shapes, I'm leaning towards sand shiner (Notropis stramineus):

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Dima
Regarding formatting, I don

Regarding formatting, I don't see any tools when creating or editing a post and can write only as a plain text:

Could be my account configuration but I didn't find any settings for that. But there is an editor for replies, and formating works in replies.

Dima
After more research changing

After more research changing opinion and now think it is a mimic shiner. The Illinois DNR has this on their's site about the mimic shiners, "On the front half of the body, the scales along the sides are taller than they are wide."

maurer416
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sand shiner

I disagree, looks like 7 anal rays which would mean sand shiner. The anterior lateral scales on a mimic are much taller than wide, which is also not the case with this fish. Mimic shiner also require very silt-free clean water which makes them less common than sand. 

Dima
Thank you. I counted 6 rays

Thank you. I counted 6 rays on the anal fin. Everywhere I read, says mimic has 8. Some sources say sand shiners have 7 rays, some say 6 to 8 rays. It was caught in very clear water on a sandy bottom. Maybe a bit silty. Adding the fish to my list as a sand shiner. Thank you, everyone.