Sea chub... Yellow or Bermuda?

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MichaelAngelo
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Sea chub... Yellow or Bermuda?
<p>Can be distinguished with a fin ray count</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>See here: &nbsp;<a href="http://species-identification.org/species.php?species_group=caribbean_diving_guide&amp;id=191">http://species-identification.org/species.php?species_group=caribbean_diving_guide&amp;id=191</a></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><b style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;">Remarks:</b></p> <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;">A second species, the Yellow sea chub (</span><i style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;">Kyphosus incisor</i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;">) is difficult to be distinguished from the Bermuda sea chub. Positive identification requires ray counts:</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;" /> <i style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;">K. secratrix</i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;">: Dorsal spines (total): 11-11; Dorsal soft rays (total): 11-12; Anal spines: 3-3; Anal soft rays: 11-11.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;" /> <i style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;">K. incisor</i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;">: Dorsal spines (total): 11-11; Dorsal soft rays (total): 13-15; Anal spines: 3-3; Anal soft rays: 12-13</span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><br /> Caught in the Florida Keys:</p> <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;"><img alt="" src="http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr193/MichaelVerdirame/Fishing%202012/Florida%20December%202012/IMG_3161.jpg" style="width: 500px; height: 375px;" /></span></p> <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;">I am having trouble with this count. &nbsp;</span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px;">I will post additional pictures shortly.&nbsp;</span></p>
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MNbowfinangler
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I'd say Bermuda.   ftp://ftp.

I'd say Bermuda.

 

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SK Justin
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Sea Chubs

What would be your verdict on these ones?

MNbowfinangler
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I would say Bermuda Chub. It'

I would say Bermuda Chub. It's hard to see but look like like there are about 11 soft dorsal rays. The black operculum edge and bump on the forehead also give these a Bermuda Chub look.