Need some help with these 2 shiners

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Michieldewit
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Need some help with these 2 shiners
So I finally got back to fishing after about 2 years and got a lot of stuff to relearn. I caught these 2 shiners and have spent hours looking at pictures and still don't feel confident that I got it right. Both are caught in southern Ontario The first one I labeled Emerald Shiner but also looks a lot like a Mimic Shiner and a few others. And the second one I think might be a Pugnose Shiner Any help would be appreciated, or maybe some good places to do research on them. (I added the picture in the reply, can't get them to work in the main post for some reason) Thanks
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FishNerd
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Luxilus maybe

They look like juvenile Common Shiners to me

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Michieldewit
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The first one might be but I

The first one might be but I don't think it would have orange fins. the second one has a black line going from the tip of his nose through his eye all the way to the back so if anything I do have 2 seperate species

SomewhereDownstream
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Shiner identification

You could eliminate some options by checking their range maps, if you haven't done that already.

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Michieldewit
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Well, I did look on here and

Well, I did look on here and they don't seem to have a range map for these species. I also did double check that they do excist in Ontario and they do...but that is as far as I got with that

TonyS
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Not seeing Notropis

*disclaimer - I hate ID'ing shiners, take with a grain of salt*

I wouldbn't lean in the Notropis direction on either of these.  The decurved lateral line would make me lean in the Luxilus direction or possibly Cyprinella.  That's where I'd start looking based on whatever is present in your area

 

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Thanks, I will take a look at

Thanks, I will take a look at that. I also just found out that if the second one is a pugnose shiner I would have broken the record for longest and I highly doubt I did. So I'm pretty sure I'm wrong on that one

Michieldewit
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So it seems that the only 2

So it seems that the only 2 Luxilus we have in this area are the common shiner and the striped shiner. They don't seem to fit the second picture but the first one is pretty close. The biggest issue I have with it is that the eye seems to be to big to be either one of those. So I still think that the emerald shiner is the better fit. There is only one Cyprinella in this area and that is the Spotfin Shiner and I just don't think that one fits.
On the second picture I have now switched to blacknose shiner. It seems to be the only fish around here that has a line going from the front to the back and actually makes sence for the size it is.