Submitted by Casey Shanaberger on Sun, 04/01/2018 - 19:15
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Black Redhorse?
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Alright, this may be pointless, but I counted 44 scales along the lateral line. I'm probably posting a picture of a golden but I just want to be sure.
He had no tubercule scars on his forehad, but did not have any on his anal fin as far as I could see. The main reason I'm posting this is because I caught this a couple minutes after I caught a pale, cookie cutter golden and they just looked so different from each other. I've also caught a few questionable horsies from this hole in the past as well.
The posterior end of the hypural plate is sagging down in the photo, making a scale count tough. I count 43 scales. If the tail were stretched straight, that's the scale count I'd get anyway. Hard to tell from this photo, no pelvic fin number to look at or good fin shots. The caudal peduncle looks thicker than most blacks, and the head looks short. Tough to say though. Seeing a different angle of the fish would help.
To count as lateral line scales, they have to have a lateral line pore. I can't see enough to count them as pored scales or non-pored scales, so the photo doesn't help for that. The caudal peduncle looks deep, like a golden. If it was a contest fish I would call it a golden.
Here's one more that I took and the un-marked first picture. I don't have many pictures just because I thought this was a golden until I got home and was looking through my pictures.
I've been on the wishful side of a lot of small goldens, counting and recounting scales and rays trying to make them blacks, so I know how it feels when people burst the dream. I'm sorry to have to add my vote that it's a golden.
They're out there. Keep taking good photos of every suspect golden: lips, pelvic fins on both sides for ray count, lateral line with fish as natural and straight as possible--and get both sides in case of messed up scales, raised dorsal fin.
Redhorse ID cheatsheets, gars, suckers: moxostoma.com
2020: 10 days fishing 11 species 0 lifers. 2019: 34/45/13 2018: 39/40/5
Yeah the second pic was super helpful actallly. I should have asked for more pics before getting you all excited. I apologize for that. Hopefully your efforts will turn one up soon.
Thanks for the help guys! I wasn't expecting a black out of this anyways, and I'll be sure to get way more ID pics next time I catch a questionable horsie.
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Dr Flathead
Sun, 04/01/2018 - 20:51
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Looks like a Black to me upon
Looks like a Black to me upon first impression. I count 45 lateral line scales. Are there supposed to be Black Redhorse present where you caught it?
Casey Shanaberger
Mon, 04/02/2018 - 08:15
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They’ve been sampled
They’ve been sampled by the DNR in this watershed a couple dozen times in the last 7-8 years, so if assume that there’s resident population.
"I swear if you catch another drum"
RoughFish
Mon, 04/02/2018 - 13:16
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The peduncle looks a bit
The peduncle looks a bit thick to be a black.... can’t remember the ratio though
Dr Flathead
Mon, 04/02/2018 - 17:58
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Had a chance to look at this
andy
Mon, 04/02/2018 - 22:02
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I think golden
The posterior end of the hypural plate is sagging down in the photo, making a scale count tough. I count 43 scales. If the tail were stretched straight, that's the scale count I'd get anyway. Hard to tell from this photo, no pelvic fin number to look at or good fin shots. The caudal peduncle looks thicker than most blacks, and the head looks short. Tough to say though. Seeing a different angle of the fish would help.
Corey
Tue, 04/03/2018 - 00:23
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Scales
To count as lateral line scales, they have to have a lateral line pore. I can't see enough to count them as pored scales or non-pored scales, so the photo doesn't help for that. The caudal peduncle looks deep, like a golden. If it was a contest fish I would call it a golden.
Dr Flathead
Tue, 04/03/2018 - 07:43
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If photo of fish draws mixed
If photo of fish draws mixed reviews you know what you have to do. Go back and catch more and take lots of pics.
Casey Shanaberger
Tue, 04/03/2018 - 10:24
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More pics of the fish
Here's one more that I took and the un-marked first picture. I don't have many pictures just because I thought this was a golden until I got home and was looking through my pictures.
"I swear if you catch another drum"
Gunnar
Tue, 04/03/2018 - 21:29
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Golden
I've been on the wishful side of a lot of small goldens, counting and recounting scales and rays trying to make them blacks, so I know how it feels when people burst the dream. I'm sorry to have to add my vote that it's a golden.
They're out there. Keep taking good photos of every suspect golden: lips, pelvic fins on both sides for ray count, lateral line with fish as natural and straight as possible--and get both sides in case of messed up scales, raised dorsal fin.
Redhorse ID cheatsheets, gars, suckers: moxostoma.com
2020: 10 days fishing 11 species 0 lifers. 2019: 34/45/13 2018: 39/40/5
Dr Flathead
Wed, 04/04/2018 - 16:14
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Yeah the second pic was super
Casey Shanaberger
Wed, 04/04/2018 - 20:06
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Thanks for the help guys!
Thanks for the help guys! I wasn't expecting a black out of this anyways, and I'll be sure to get way more ID pics next time I catch a questionable horsie.
Now if only it would warm up now.....
"I swear if you catch another drum"